Looking for Conversations: LinkedIn Groups Part 2

by Des Walsh on March 16, 2010

So how did my LinkedIn search go for groups of home based professionals?

This is a follow-on from my post yesterday, on looking for relevant online conversations, starting with the professional-focused networking site LinkedIn.

On my first attempt to find groups via (as I recall) the search term “home based professionals” the result was some fifty pages of groups. With ten a page, that made around 500 groups.

The listings included:

The first of these was of general interest, but I wasn’t sure that at this point I wanted to get into discussions about starting a home based business.

The second – Consultants Network – looked interesting, especially as it had a big membership at 118,911, and what looked like a busy discussion space, with 85 discussions listed, far more than I had seen for other groups.

The Consultants Network group describes itself as:

A group that unites all strategy, marketing, finance, business, IT consultants & freelancers. With over 100,000+ global members the largest consultancy community on LinkedIn. (consulting, management, business, interim, freelance, advisory, consultant, recruitment, network, professionals)

I had to submit a request to join. That did not bother me, because I like the idea that there is some process of vetting going on. Although I’m wondering what’s happening. It’s about three days since I submitted that request and I’ve since sent a follow-up. No reply of any kind yet.

By way of a footnote to this post, as I started writing I thought, why just LinkedIn? Why not Yahoo!? Why not other networks and forums?

Why not, indeed! Especially as, at this writing, this area of professionals working from home is not looking a likely area for discussion on LinkedIn.

So I’ve decided to do a series on various social networking platforms, under the general heading of Looking for Conversations. Next I might have a look at Yahoo! Groups.

In the meantime, have you had any interesting, useful or curious experiences with LinkedIn Groups and if so would you like to share them? I hope you will leave a comment.

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Looking for Conversations: LinkedIn Groups Part 1

by Des Walsh on March 12, 2010

Story of Searching LinkedIn Groups for Interesting Conversations

I don’t know whether it started, almost eleven years ago, with The Cluetrain Manifesto statement that “markets are conversations”, but the concept of listening to and then “participating in the conversation” has become part of standard advice to business owners and others wanting to get serious about using social media and wanting to attract people to their web sites.

The corollary advice is often, in colloquial terms, to find where the people you want to listen to and connect with “hang out” online, then hang out there too.

I’ve certainly given that advice more than once.

So how well have I been doing in terms of walking my talk?

Pretty well, I believe, in terms of my professional interest in social media and the services I offer there.

But not so well in terms of the focus of this blog, on professionals working from home. So I thought it was time I took my own advice and looked for “where the people hang out” – the people in question being, as I say, professionals working from home.

I started with the “LinkedIn Groups” on professional networking platform LinkedIn, which I know reasonably well, having co-moderated a LinkedIn group for several years and co-authored a book on LinkedIn for recruiters.

LinkedIn Groups – then and now

The decision to check out LinkedIn Groups was not intuitive.

There was a time, not so long ago, when there was no conversation on LinkedIn Groups. No forum, no discussion thread option. And the whole business of setting up a LinkedIn Group was not simple.

As the screenshot above shows, just three years ago, in 2007, to have a group on LinkedIn, you had to send a request to LinkedIn management and there was no guarantee your request would be approved.

And a year later it was not an easy matter to find groups to which you might like to belong.

The whole setup was called, in those days “LinkedIn for Groups”. At the time I found that an odd title, but with hindsight it seems to me that it was quite well chosen for the time, given that the idea was that LinkedIn might agree to establish a Group on its site if there was already a “group” existing externally, such as an alumni group, or a corporation group. So it was LinkedIn for(mainly or exclusively, already existing) Groups.

That has all changed and we now have “LinkedIn Groups”, with no intermediate preposition and a more open policy on setting up a group.

Easy to set up a LinkedIn Group now

When you go to the LinkedIn site now, you can set up a group just by clicking on a link, filling out and submitting an online form and not needing to submit a proposal to LinkedIn management.

One effect of that is a plethora of groups, some with with many members, some with very few, even down to some with only one member, namely the person who set up the group, who presumably sent out invitations to various connections to join and is still waiting for someone to accept.

But I was not looking just for a large group as such. I was looking for some sign that conversations were happening.

As I searched, I was somewhat surprised to find that many groups had no discussion going on and some had only a few discussion topics. Perhaps it’s a hangover from the old setup of LinkedIn for Groups, where there was no forum structure or other way of holding discussions with other members of a group.

The new setup for LinkedIn Groups has a setup for threaded discussions and some of the groups to which I belong have quite extended and informative discussions.

In the next post in this series of Looking for Conversations I will share the results of my search on LinkedIn Groups.

In the meantime, I hope you will share any suggestions about where to find good online conversations among business professionals working from home.

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Free Membership Site Masterplan Report by Yaro Starak

by Des Walsh on March 8, 2010

Planning a membership site? Do yourself a big favor and get Yaro Starak’s Membership Site Masterplan report

I’ve been working lately with a colleague on plans for a membership site and finding that there are some interesting challenges involved, so I was more open that I might have been when my partner Suzie encouraged me to listen to a recorded version of Yaro Starak’s Membership Site Masterplan Report (affiliate link).

I was not disappointed. Far from it.

I was very impressed and learned a lot. And having listened to the audio version, I knew I had to download, print out and read the whole 72 page report. Which I did – and was even more impressed.

Certainly I was quite well disposed in advance to learn from Yaro on the subject of subscription-funded membership sites. From having watched his steady but nevertheless amazing progress over the years as an Internet entrepreneur, having observed how others spoke of him and having met him in real life (we actually co-hosted a panel at a conference once), I know that the guy is real, with a good sense of humor, not a boaster or a booster, and has a genuine interest in helping other people succeed and create the lifestyle they want.

The report is actually quite challenging, especially if you read between the lines. Yaro makes no secret of the fact that if any of us want to create the sort of six figure income which he has created for himself and which he shows is possible with a well planned, well executed membership site, we are going to have to work our tails off for a while. But not forever.

I am sure I would learn more from Yaro’s coaching course and probably have more accelerated success that way, but even from the report I feel I can now confidently go about developing and implementing a successful membership site.

As far as I could see, just about all the key areas are covered, including marketing, the technology to use, advice on pricing, how to use psychological triggers to influence decision-making (and do that ethically, so you can sleep at night) and lots of great advice on the pre-launch and launch phases.

There is even advice on how to set up and manage your site so that you can get the best price if and when the time comes when you want to sell it.

The one area I would like to have seen something included was that of keyword research: perhaps too big a subject to tackle in the space of what is already a very full (and free) document, but at least some words to alert people to the value of keyword research and where to get more information about that.

That said, it is an excellent report and was well worth the time I spent reading it. And drawing on the report’s content and other research I’ve been doing I’ve now done a spreadsheet with a checklist of all the key issues and tasks involved, from go to whoa. That was an exercise well worth doing, especially as it helped show up the things I hadn’t previously been taking into account.

The link again.

Do you know of other resources (especially free ones) for people planning or managing subscription-based membership sites?

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Marketing to Boomers, the Inside Story

March 6, 2010

What’s Next Boomer Business Summit, Chicago, March 19, 2010

For the seventh year in a row, on March 19, leading experts on the “boomer and beyond” marketplace will gather for the What’s Next Boomer Business Summit.

Boomers were born between 1946 and 1964
77 million baby boomers represent 28% of the U.S. population and account for 77% [...]

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